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# Martin McGreggor: Satanism, Ars Zoetia, Fallen Angels, and Inner Transformation

## Inroducion

In this Perseus Arcane Academy interview, Martin of [SinisterSide.com](https://sinisterside.com/) discusses the development of his Satanic practice, the evolution of his written work, and the shift from identity-based Satanism toward structured, practice-driven transformation. The conversation explores his books, including *[Paths to Satan](https://www.amazon.in/Paths-Satan-Guide-Contemporary-Satanism/dp/1481243004)*, *[Book of the Fallen](https://www.amazon.com/Book-Fallen-Satanic-Theory-Practice/dp/1797600974/ref=sr_1_1?crid=369VG6JHR4G1T&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4HH7SZ-3yoFIXChJ__9Q5rhvEDdH3AaT_2yYfaBwd0I.D8gCGimHN9lMYHJuU9I1RuaBWaBlm3kcqFkap_8bbOA&dib_tag=se&keywords=book+of+the+fallen+martin+mcgregor&qid=1780394467&sprefix=book+of+the+fallen+martin+mc%2Caps%2C1297&sr=8-1)*, *The Deification Magick Spellbook*, *Ars Zoetia*, and *The Social Magick Spellbook*, alongside deeper questions on Fallen Angels, spirit contact, discernment, public misunderstanding, magical responsibility, and the relationship between inner work and real-world change

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## Interview

## Belief System & Philosophical Development

**PAA: In Paths to Satan, your aim was clearly to make the path accessible, whereas Book of the Fallen feels more like a consolidation of long-term development. What changed internally for you between those works?**

Your distinction between those two works is really well stated, I think. All of my books have had a specific purpose, and in the case of Paths, that purpose was to support other Satanists’ ability to live openly amongst their friends, family, and peers. Many Satanists use it as a gateway book for people in their lives who are interested in Satanism or may be looking to become Satanists themselves. I am truly honored by that and love that it has become a work of inclusion and accessibility, but to be honest, at the time I wrote Paths specifically with the non-Satanist in mind. While it may be an affirming and supportive book for those upon the path, it can be quite the opposite for those outside the community like parents, extended family, and friends. The truths about Satanism presented in Paths may seem like basic concepts for us, but they can be completely alien and contradictory to what has been traditionally taught and believed by the majority of the world.

It can be exceedingly difficult to live an openly Satanic lifestyle without becoming subject to vile insinuations and asinine assumptions regarding morals, character, and even criminality. The sworn enemies of Satan say whatever they wish and the masses believe all of it, quite literally as gospel. I didn’t want that to be the case simply due to a lack of rebuttal. Paths was written as much to contradict as it was to confirm. But internally, this very much spoke to where I was within my life at that time, and what was important to me. As a 27 year old who had already struggled with openness and revealing my faith, as well as with creating Satan-centric businesses and projects, I was done listening to the uninformed opinions of outsiders regarding what constituted Satanism and Satanic practice. What it meant to be a Satanist. And then having to contend with those all-too-common presumptions any time I decided to be honest about my spirituality or tried to operate openly in the public space. That is what I cared about that time, and so that is what caused Paths to be written.

Likewise, when I wrote Fallen, my personal practice had taken my focus away from public works and instead on my own inner mastery and ability. After writing Paths and getting those concepts off my chest, I came to a clear understanding that if I wanted to continue to share knowledge and insight and wisdom with the Satanic community, I should spend the time necessary to properly learn and master, to the best of my abilities, before sharing. There was a seven year gap between Paths and Fallen, of which I spent a lot of time in personal study. A couple dark nights of the soul, a confirmatory spiritual interaction or two, a complete re-wiring of what my practice was and meant. By year five I had landed on a consistent spiritual practice that I could honestly call my own, and I had a philosophical basis that wasn’t scared of honest scrutiny or skepticism. It no longer became important to me whether I was right or wrong. I was simply being honest about what I had lived, and learned, and experienced, and that had become what drove my Satanism. In the afterglow, or maybe more appropriately the aftermath, I realized that passing on a clear roadmap for what I had done was actually needed. What I had stumbled through, and many of the failures I had suffered, could have been avoided with a guiding hand. At that point, Fallen was conceptualized and it was simply a matter of outlining what needed to be shared and then putting the words to paper.

So, a simple answer to the question would be: everything changed internally for me between those two works. But the books themselves paint a pretty clear picture of where I was in my practice at the time of their writing, what my priorities were, and what I hoped to change within my own world through their writing. Paths was centered on acceptance and how I was perceived by the outside world. Fallen focused almost exclusively on internal issues, from personal philosophy and ethics to ritual habits and meditative techniques. It is a pretty clear representation of my own personal practice and focus shifting from externally-driven perception to internally-derived truth.

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**PAA: You’ve described your approach as moving toward a more mature and less reactive form of Satanism. How would you define that maturity now, compared to how you saw the path in your early years?**

This is a great question. When I first started upon my path, like many Satanists, I became very wrapped up in the adversarial nature of it. My Satanism was much more about what I wasn’t instead of allowing it to become the cornerstone for what I wanted to become. Essentially my practice was more concerned with others, what they believed, and my reaction to it as a Satanist, instead of being more focused on myself and what Satanism was bringing to my life. Probably the easiest way to sum this up would be to say that I took time to learn and explore what (my) Satan and Satanism is actually adversarial toward specifically, instead of treating it like a blanket position to be applied to all things. I found that while Satanism is in fact the most inclusive religion in the world, and Satan will revel in many things that other Gods and religions may revile, it is life itself, and the freedom to experience it in every possible way, that Satan is truly advocating for.

You will not be held back, and you will not find limits to that which Satan will accept as pious offering, but likewise an unbalanced reverence of death, demise, and endings is a sure way to step off the path. Satan is the most wholesome God that can be accepted into your life - not in the colloquial way we use it today wrapped up within morality and piety, but in the true sense of the word. All-encompassing. Everything. The good, the bad, the brutal and the ugly, Satan is the God of it all. He revels in the lion feasting upon the flesh of the zebra, and He laughs triumphantly when cloven hoof strikes the hungry maw, allowing the hunted to surpass its position in life and achieve a future that was not always guaranteed. Satan wants us to exceed our bequeathed lot in life, but will accept equally the natural state of the world that may indeed crush us during the attempt. It is the Satanist’s duty to prepare for the challenge, and use the wisdom Satan offers us to be ready and able to turn the tables upon the world itself when it takes aim at our lives and livelihoods. That is probably the best summation I can provide.

**PAA: Your work draws from multiple traditions while maintaining a distinct identity. How do you personally navigate the balance between influence and dilution when integrating ideas from different systems?**

Anything that aids in my practice is fair game as far as I am concerned. Satan, or maybe more accurate the entity named as Satan, has been known to every civilization and religion across the globe. Different names, different nuances in the way they see him, but He has been a part of every spiritual system born from the hearts and spirits of humanity. Part of a Satanist’s duty is to expose themselves to different teachings and practices that may serve their own, and additionally, to at least contemplate what part Satan played in their creation. To answer your question more specifically though, necessity is the father of invention and experimentation is the mother of efficacy. I don’t concern myself with things becoming watered down. If I try something and it doesn’t work or doesn’t elicit the reaction within the ritual or myself that I am looking for, I either discard it or make changes. When I feel there is something missing from my current practice, because it does shift and change quite radically depending on what spirits I am working with and what my overall goal is at the time, I start looking for inspiration wherever it may come. Most often, as soon as I open myself to the search, the answers come flying in and I find synchronicity and meaning in places where I would have never thought to look, especially if I were to keep things to a strictly Satanic lens. But at the same time, I am quite secure in my beliefs and I can sift through teachings that are contrary to my own philosophy without getting bogged down in questions or insecurity.

I search for aspects of practices that serve my current purpose, and as long as I stay true to my intention, it becomes fairly easy to twist whatever I am looking at towards my own goals. With that being said though, there are many teachings I will consciously avoid pulling from, if only because their history and traditions feel repugnant to me. In those cases, unless I am specifically looking to blaspheme them, I simply do not use them as sources of information or inspiration. Ritual and magic should be full of things that empower you and bring your mind, body, and soul into union. That is when things start taking off. So, my philosophy is to pull from absolutely anything that will help me achieve that, regardless of its origin. Many teachings and traditions would do the opposite, pulling me away from union and into discord, and that is truly my only litmus test when searching for new techniques. Anything can be made Satanic if it is done so by a capable and creative Satanist. And it doesn’t always simply mean blasphemy and adversarialism.

**PAA: In your writing, there’s a noticeable shift from identity-based Satanism toward something more functional and practice-driven. Was that an intentional move, or something that emerged through experience?**

There was very much a conscious shift in the nature of the written work, but I’d say the cause was actually a mix of the two reasons you mentioned. Not to repeat myself, but each of my works have a distinct purpose and reason for being written, and the shift you are talking about came about because I was both learning a lot through experience and experimentation, but also consciously deciding that my written works needed to transition from what it means to be a Satanist, to how to be a Satanist. Many of us adopt the mantle out of an innate understanding that it is where we belong. But we get left with little else, and generally have to establish our own traditions and practices personally. I wanted my body of work to speak to every level of Satanist, from the first-day initiate to a years-in adept, and the only way to do that was to provide information and guidance for those that had moved past the initial stages of their practice.

Furthermore, my books are a pretty good insight into the work I have done in the years prior to their release. While Paths and Fallen were imagined and written with a much broader pen, my subsequent works have been fairly grounded in the work I was doing one to three years prior to their writing, and the books themselves become a sort of magical journal that I just happen to share with the world. I am sure if you were to look at my personal life and practice you would find a great deal of insight into why certain books were written, with the cause invariably being - that was what I was working on prior to their release. As I have transitioned between phases of my own Satanism, my books have also transitioned into more of a living chronicle of my own progress. If it ever seems like it takes me forever to put out new books, this is the reason. I write fast but there is generally 2-5 years of work that goes on behind the scenes, and I only write the book when I feel I have learned the lessons of that work and am ready to share my findings with the world. I believe this to be one of the few ways a sincere Satanic leader can operate without centuries of traditions to back them up. We have to forge our own way, and sometimes it takes a while before we are ready to bring those new teachings to light.

> This is why unless you are seeking to replicate a famous working, or perform a specific ritual of someone else’s design, your rituals should be wholly unique to you. Your coding is different than anyone else’s. You are running on a language that is wholly your own. The tools and methods you bring into ritual allow you to create your own code.
>
> Martin McGreggor

## Practice, Method, and Inner Work

**PAA: Your systems place a strong emphasis on structured practice—sigils, effigies, staged processes. What did you learn through experience that led you to favor this level of structure?**

I learned what worked. For me. Ritual and magic are nothing more than learning the process of programming the self. Yes, they can be witnessed and joined by spirits and demons, or even Satan Himself. Yes, their presence can lend incredible amounts of power and meaning to the work. But the process itself is simply meant to make you capable of achieving the things you have set aim to. To become what you seek to be, and to gain what you feel you are missing. Effigies, sigils, magical languages, candles, bells, incense - all of it is simply the ingredients you have chosen to make up that programming. Each aspect may have its own meaning, power, and influences, but they are still just the tools you have chosen to help change the reality surrounding yourself. For me, that meant developing the methods found within books like the Deification Magick spellbook, and Ars Zoetia. These are the tools, the code, that I use to program myself.

This is why unless you are seeking to replicate a famous working, or perform a specific ritual of someone else’s design, your rituals should be wholly unique to you. Your coding is different than anyone else’s. You are running on a language that is wholly your own. The tools and methods you bring into ritual allow you to create your own code. And for me, taking bits and pieces of other languages and twisting them into my own was the only thing that was going to work. Personally I think this is probably the case for the vast majority of practicing occultists and Satanists today. I have just happened to reach the stage in my practice where the overall structure is in place, and now I spend most of my time finding new pieces to fit within that structure, or actively using the pieces I have compiled for a specific purpose.

**PAA: In The Deification Magick Spellbook, your work focuses heavily on self-dissolution as a precursor to transformation. How did your own understanding of that process develop through practice?**

I would certainly agree that dissolution is central to the work within the Deification Magick spellbook, both of the self and of the entire practice. The theology and spiritual presumptions you bring with you into the work must be purged as much as any other part of the self. Satan is indeed the only God truly willing to put himself on the pyre in the pursuit of your godhood. Not only must your loyalty and service to His cause be removed, but also your attachment to your status as a Satanist. The spiritual aspects of yourself that will hold you back are but a single piece of the puzzle, and the whole thing must be cleared from the table if you are going to honestly partake in that kind of work. For many years my identity was tied up within Satanism, and I would have sooner sacrificed myself than anything that had to do with my relationship with Satan. But in the end, I realized that all of those crutches were simply that - something for me, as a human, to lean on and provide stability when things got hard. The mythology around the Grigori and many of their individual histories became a great boon in my understanding of this, which is in part why they play such a pivotal role in my portion of the Deification spellbook. While the runes are presented as a divination tool, there are many lessons hidden among them that benefit the aspiring deific. But if you are truly to become a god in and of yourself, a being capable of mastering their own existence and their own nature, to bend the laws of reality to your will and create a world of your own choosing, you must face the fact that the being you are is most likely completely incapable.

The idea of what you could be, though, is a much different story. We all remember the lesson Batman learned about his own nature. As a man he was limited and only capable of what his physical form could achieve. But as the idea of Batman, he became something else. Something out of legend and fable, something that was capable of great feats beyond the scope of mere mortals. A god of the night, stalking his prey in a way determined only by his own principles. The laws of men no longer apply, and this is the kind of interaction you need to establish with your god-self, and for most people, that means removing the mental blocks revolving around their own limitations. Clear the table. Immolate the idea of the self, as well as the meaning and attachment bound to Satan. Become something else. Like Batman. Something beyond what you consider yourself capable of. That is the lesson here. The work you do for yourself through this kind of action will deliver results beyond those that may be a result of any service or loyalty to Satan. That is not His currency.

**PAA: You often use external forms—symbols, constructed representations—as part of inner work. What role do these play in bridging internal and external experience?**

This is a fairly loaded question, so I will try to sum everything up as concisely as I am able, and hopefully I won’t miss any of the major points in doing so. As I mentioned before, the physical items you bring into magic and ritual are but the tools you use to program your own existence and life. Through thoughtful choosing, and consistent working with those items in the manner you have deemed fit, you program your mind to associate those items with their internal meaning. No matter whether the item represents something internal to you or an external entity, habit, disease, or idea, after consistently working with it you can train your mind to form the association. Additionally, the process you employ consistently becomes associative with the work you are doing. So while you may only be lighting incense and candles, ringing a bell, and saying prayers, over a consistent enough period of time that process in and of itself becomes associated with the work you are aiming for. After a long enough period, there is no difference in your brain between taking those actions and making progress towards your goal.

Now, ideally, you are following that up with real work. Taking definitive real-world steps towards completion of your goal. And then you will find yourself looking back one day and discovering that the magic worked. This is due to many factors, not least of all the tapping of personal divinity through the process. But even outside of the magical context, what you do consistently determines what you are. If you are consistently practicing, consistently working, and consistently achieving, then no goal will remain out of your grasp for long. You have to become the thing that achieves what you are seeking. This is one of the reasons why so many teachers reinforce regular, if not daily, ritual. I think the real lesson gets lost in the conversation, though. Doing aimless ritual for connection and presence every day is not going to achieve anything material or result in successful magic. It will result in a deep and consistent connection with the spirits you work with, but at a certain point, you must begin to apply that magic, apply that ritual, and apply that connection to what you are actually seeking to achieve. Otherwise you will stagnate and lose heart before you have even begun to truly work. Or worse, you will blame the Gods themselves for not delivering what you desire.

> So much of what we “know” is simply what we believe, often due to assumption, non sequitur, and cultural tradition.
>
> Martin McGreggor

**PAA: When someone begins working through your material, what is the most important mindset shift they need to make for the practices to actually work?**

This answer may be geared more towards success in Satanism, or occult practice in general, than simply making use of my books. But it is where the question took me, so here you go: Understand that certainty is the enemy. The questions that bother you…the things that nag at you and won’t go away, even the doubts that make you feel as though you are lesser than other more “devout” Satanists, those are the most important things to hold on to. You don’t have to confront them right away, and in fact it is often best to simply allow them to sit unanswered. But don’t take them off the table, and certainly do not run from them. When you work at your spirituality, gain wisdom, and practice with sincerity and honesty, the answers will come exactly when you need them to, and your foundation will become unshakeable. Determine your principles and stick to them, especially when things become hard, and you will be rewarded far more than you would for any amount of spiritual service, devout loyalty, or grand supplication. But until then, ask the question, or at the very least, listen intently when someone else does. Hear the perspectives of others without latching onto them as gospel or dogma. Take nothing as certain, and allow a broader understanding of topics to grow as you are introduced to new thoughts and ideas on old topics. Never fall into conspiracy and be ever-vigilant to the non sequiturs that are so rife within the occult and spiritual space. Existence and presence do not always equate to favor or power. God does not always equate to creator, or omnipotence. Communication does not always equate to truth. So much of what we “know” is simply what we believe, often due to assumption, non sequitur, and cultural tradition. Learn, discern, work, and grow. If you do that, my books will become useful aids, but the real magic will be done, and lived, by you.

## Spirits, Forces, and Interaction

**PAA: Your work with Fallen Angels and related forces is central to your system. How has your understanding of these forces evolved through direct experience?**

I absolutely love this question. When approaching the Fallen Angels, the Grigori Watchers of Enoch, I chose to operate from as little information as possible. While there are numerous occult volumes dedicated to them, and little else honestly, I wanted to get my own personal reaction to their presence before exposing myself to any other teachings. It was a mind blowing experience. From a single structured spell to induce connection and presence, I was able to fully channel over 30 Fallen Angels, whom I have since made a central part of my own personal practice. I did so because that one limited experience with them was so impactful and beneficial that I knew I had found my personal pantheon almost immediately.

They have been amazingly benevolent, active, encouraging and also inspiring, and our relationship has been incredibly productive. It is my belief that they truly were Humanity’s original guardians and guides, regardless of what status the Christian religion may have thrust upon them. Anything of real spiritual significance has, at some point, been adopted and warped by those teachings to hide their real power. Come to them with an honest heart and an open mind, and both will overrun by the time you are through. I did not approach them with trepidation, but I was also very cognizant of their primordial nature. No such entity should be contacted lightly. But the response I received surprised me on so many levels. I believe the Fallen want to be worked with. They want connection, and they have so much to offer. For anyone like myself, who saw the Goetic spirits and process as overly negative and one-sided, I would recommend reaching out to the Fallen Angels you feel most pulled toward. They are life-affirming, living, generous spirits ready to forge a connection. Working with them has been one of the most rewarding and gratifying spiritual experiences I have had.

**PAA: Many practitioners struggle to distinguish between imagination, symbolic interaction, and something more autonomous. How did you come to understand that distinction in your own practice?**

Experience is the only thing that will allow you to grow discernment, which is what we are talking about here. We’ve all heard the stories…the sons and daughters and husbands and wives of the gods. The spirits telling people exactly how right they are and how awesome their spiritual power is. Those people need a serious reality check. The occult is not a place for people who want to entertain fantasies at that level, because at the very least you will make a fool of yourself. At the worst you may get yourself into waters you aren’t prepared to swim in - and that isn’t an indictment of the spirits. It is an indictment of insincere and naive occultists. A lot of these people go really crazy, because they started out that way to a lesser degree, and couldn’t distinguish reality from the concepts they were interacting with. Discernment is the thing that keeps you sane. If you assume almost everything is simply your imagination, or your subconscious desires making their way to the surface, then it will take a serious spiritual interaction to shake you from that baseline. And the spirits will oblige.

Most of us who have experienced consistent spirit contact will describe a feeling of being beaten over the head with experiences in quick succession. To the point that it becomes more absurd to put no weight on the experience than the alternative. You see one sign, followed by another synchronicity, followed by something truly uncanny or basically impossible, coupled with clear communication and presence. That is when you start taking a new look at things. One-off occurrences or “talking” with the spirit outside of structured practice or workings are generally the quickest ways to self-delusion, especially if you give great weight to the result. Over time and consistent practice with numerous spirits, you can begin to accurately discern their hand at play in things. You will recognize the pattern of blessed results and chance happenings that actually do line up with the greater workings you are engaged in. Patterns, and the ability to recognize them, will be the greatest tool in your arsenal in this regard. Again - the spirits will oblige. There is no need to manufacture results because of great desire. Be real. Be honest. Take what comes with a grain of salt and then allow the spirits to confound that expectation. They will not disappoint when you have made a true connection.

**PAA: In your experience, what is the most misunderstood aspect of working with non-physical intelligences?**

There are several misunderstandings that I could use a few lines to clear up. First and foremost, there is no “correct” spell to accomplish whatever you are seeking. There is no “correct” Demon, or Spirit, or God to call upon to accomplish it for you, either. Searching for such things is a complete derailment of what your practice should be about. The work is always going to be done by you. Whether or not you make true connection with a spirit who can help you achieve your goal in a more divine way is what you are trying for. If you have prepared properly and are ready to work when you make connection, you will likely receive a great deal of assistance. If you choose certain spirits and don’t have your life in order, or ask for things with implications you don’t quite understand, they might do something to you that will create the conditions that force you into action. And if you don’t listen and act when that occurs, you may find yourself in bad situations. You might get hurt. It will have been your fault. These are the dangers experienced workers mean when they warn neophytes and new initiates. Most of the spirits you will encounter aren’t evil. They are well beyond that kind of morality based within the human experience and understanding. But they are powerful. They are capable. They don’t grant wishes and they aren’t going to do the work for you. Speaking to Satanism specifically, supplication and devotion are not going to get you where you want to be. Sure, Satan will answer the call to those things, just as he will answer the call to all manner of rituals and workings. But to advance in your practice, you must accept that your life is your own. Your service is only as valuable as much as it serves you. Advancing yourself is the highest honor you can offer Satan. Allowing nothing to stand in your path, including your own practice, spirituality, and presumptions that come along with them, is the greatest form of Satanic supplication. Burning Satan Himself upon the pyre is a perfectly acceptable offering as long as it advances your own power and agenda. If it serves you. If it does not, then don’t do it. But that is the dynamic you must seek to establish for yourself. Lastly, magic is not linear, and Spirits communicate in experience as much as they do directly. The rituals you do often come to fruition before you do them, just as you’ve initiated the first steps. Spirits will confirm your suspicions through the world itself well before whispering secrets in your ear. Pay attention. The world is magic, and so are you.

**PAA: Over time, has your relationship to these forces become more structured, more intuitive, or something else entirely?**

I would have to say a combination of all three, actually. Over time I have established a practice wherein I make structured time for connection, communication, and commune, but the time spent within that structure is only a piece of the interaction. Very often you will learn lessons, gain insight, or find clues through intuition or “chance” happenings in your daily life. It is then a requisite to follow up on those intuitions through research, study, or whatever other mundane methods you use for your work. The mundane world should reflect and reinforce the intuition if it was in fact communication or messaging from other forces. Beyond that, it is actually shocking just how active these spirits can be in our lives, and while they may not trumpet their actions, an astute worker will be able to see their hand at work. And in those moments, the relationship can begin to take on that “something else entirely” energy.

You see their guiding hand at work, doors open when they were previously closed, and other instances of favor can be received, and when you go back to find the same source, or open the same door, you are met with resistance once again. It is one of the lessons I have learned the hard way. Sometimes the spirits really are acting in your favor and if you do not seize the chance when it comes around, sometimes you won’t get another. I’ve become much more reactive when those moments arise. When I feel and see the blessings coming down, I double-down on whatever I am doing. If I was going to work for one hour, now it becomes three. If I was only going to do cursory research on a subject, it then becomes time for a deep dive. They insert themselves in moments of opportunity. I try not to let them slip away.

## Zoetia, Transformation, and Applied Magick

**PAA: In Ars Zoetia, you present a system that reframes how practitioners engage with demonic forces. What was the key insight that led you to develop this approach?**

I wish I could take credit for the way Ars Zoetia came about, but at its heart it was a received work based on a singular premise. When we began the process I was at a place in my practice wherein I was challenged with creating a great work rooted in both personal skill and productive spiritual connection. During a rare chance to connect in person with some friends (and co-authors) we came upon a simple, singular starting point: Goetia is inherently contrary to much of modern left hand path practice and belief. The ritual construct, the inferred power dynamics between spirit and worker, the very way spirits are perceived in nature and purpose. Almost all of it runs in direct contrast to the prevailing opinions and experiences of active workers today, particularly those of Satanic and Demonolatrous leanings. So, if Goetia runs contrary, what would a similarly grand system look like if it was more parallel or congruent with the beliefs of the workers performing it? How do you even begin designing such a system? We landed with the ritual construct itself, and instead of simply swapping tools or invocations, we aimed to invert the entire operation. Where spirits would be kept at bay, we would seek to become as close as possible. If the operation called for visible manifestation, we would turn our backs on the circle. That was the one insight, if you will, that began the entire process. Inverting the Goetic ritual process. The worker would become that which is worked, the spirit would become the wielder of the hammer, and it would be ourselves set within the triangle. There was much less emphasis put on visible manifestation and direct communication, and more of an active focus on intention and sound magical principles. We put together the key processes and assembled equipment lists.

![](https://staging13.perseusarcaneacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/image-1024x576.png)Martin McGreggor Invokes Samyaza

Built furnaces and prepared the fuel. It was Walpurgisnacht 2022 when we performed the first Zoetic grand rite separately in our own respective parts of the country. Our plan was to perform the ritual, document what happened during and after, and then go from there. That is what we did, and after some of the most consistent and stunning displays of evocation and intuitive contact, as well as several months of reception and work that led in completely unexpected directions, we were left with Ars Zoetia.

> Regardless of whether you seek to influence your own life or the world as a whole, understanding that the power to do so is held within, and everything else is simply a means to access, will allow you to not only effect truly powerful magic but also be prepared to follow up with the mundane work and presence that results in real success.
>
> Martin McGreggor

**PAA: The idea of internalizing power rather than keeping it external runs through your work. How does that process change the practitioner over time?**

Great question! Ideally, the practitioner should be changed in all of the ways they have applied their magic towards. To tie this into one of your previous questions, focusing on the internalization of spiritual relationships and power dynamics is one of the most important mental shifts to make if you want your magic to be effective. Regardless of whether you seek to influence your own life or the world as a whole, understanding that the power to do so is held within, and everything else is simply a means to access, will allow you to not only effect truly powerful magic but also be prepared to follow up with the mundane work and presence that results in real success. When you stop focusing on the outward - the outward significance, the outward manifestation, the outward perception, and begin to focus on feeding and fueling your own spiritual power and magic, you will gain confidence not only in your own abilities but in the relationships and connections you have formed. The expectation of result will be removed from your magical workings and you can live your spirituality in a much more honest way.

When the ultimate success or failure of any undertaking is squarely upon the practitioner’s shoulders, and the power to affect that result is within the practitioner’s own divine providence, the influence that can be reaped is magnified tenfold. Instead of spending hours in planning and research to find the correct spirit to achieve a goal, a fraction of that time can be spent identifying tools and connections to augment a worker’s own personal abilities. The focus shifts to the work, and the time spent working becomes time communing, with invisible hands touching everything you do. Through the internalization process you no longer look for supernatural results, and instead seek the natural consequence of becoming the person who receives that which you desire, and accomplishes that which you seek to achieve. But the muses do not create anything. They inspire. And inspiration without perspiration is naught but fanciful meditation. The most consequential result of internalizing magical and spiritual practices is that it shifts responsibility. With responsibility comes capability, and culpability. At least it should. This is the process that eliminates I Can’t from vocabularies. Magic is the process of making the impossible, possible. Once you unlock your own personal responsibility within an effective magical practice, anything truly becomes possible within you.

**PAA: Your work suggests that transformation should be reflected in lived experience, not just internal states. What kinds of changes did you begin to notice in your own life as your practice deepened?**

This is another great question, but it could also eat up pages. One of the biggest pitfalls I have seen, and experienced, is seeking a change in circumstance without being willing to accept a change in personal habit, belief, or attitude. Sometimes even more radical changes may be needed, depending on the magic being worked. And those that fight change while simultaneously seeking out the very spirits of transformation and transmutation often have the most adverse experiences. This is another reason why my practice has shifted so dramatically toward internalization. You must be willing to become the change you seek, even if a lion’s share of the influence behind that change is coming from spiritual forces. Seeking change in the fabric of reality while attempting to remain unchanged personally is simply a recipe for failed magic. It is like digging yourself in the sand and then wondering why the tide refuses to take you further into shore. I try to ride the waves, which should be the aim of any true practitioner, but you have to be willing to visit the places those waves are likely to take you. Over the course of my magical practice I have visited many shores, but in the context of this question, of deepening practice, a specific window of time would likely be most useful to examine. I’ll focus on the last five years, as it is a good window into what deepening practice can look like, and happens to coincide with the work that led to the release of Ars Zoetia.

As my practice deepened and began to lead toward the uncovering of Zoetia and performing its original works, I made a major shift in my life and returned to formal education after an eighteen year hiatus. I attended an esteemed university after proving myself over an initial probationary period, and ultimately graduated summa cum laude with an aviation-focused science degree. During that same period of time I addressed and resolved multiple personal health issues that had plagued me since childhood, and were beginning to have a serious effect on my long-term health and survivability. It is my honest opinion that had I not been pushed into addressing these issues, specifically by the spiritual path I was walking at the time, I would not be alive to be writing this today. In the same vein, after building a company and brand for over seven years, I also made the decision to sell my interests and free myself from a venture that I was no longer passionate about. Instead, I now travel the country with my wife as a contractor, making more money and enjoying more freedom while essentially working for ourselves. I have visited all three coasts and worked in over eight states within the last eight months. Traveling the country and seeing the differences between regions is something that I have always wanted to do, and now I get paid to do it.

Finally, I contributed to or co-wrote three books during the same period with associated presentations at numerous live events and annual gatherings. All of these accomplishments, all of these changes, were a direct result of the spiritual path I was walking at the time and the influence offered by the spirits I was working with. But none of it would have been possible if I had been unwilling to accept and follow-through on quite literally life-altering changes. If I had been blind or indifferent to the, sometimes very painful, lessons being imparted - that I had asked for, by the way - I would have found myself in a very different reality by the time this would be written. If I had made it here at all. In short: everything has changed. Nothing about my life is the same.

## Social Magick and Real-World Expression

**PAA: In The Social Magick Spellbook, you bring the focus into everyday life—presence, influence, and interaction. What made you feel this area needed more attention?**

The Social Magick spellbook was a very focused work for me. I really leaned into the World Domination Series with that one, and looked at the book as an opportunity to provide a multitude of spells and methods for direct action. Whereas most of my other works would probably be considered more procedural, Social Magick assumes you have done the previous work and are ready to apply actionable tools within a social setting. In that regard, when planning the structure for my contribution I spent a good deal of time identifying the areas within social interactions that hold the most opportunity to affect demonstrable changes in real outcomes. So to answer the question simply: those were the areas I identified within the social sphere with the most opportunity for effective targeted magic. They also just so happen to be areas where many people feel insecure or incapable. The understanding of both of those factors led me straight toward working with the Fallen. Not only would they help any worker surpass their own limitations and become capable of great social feats, but they also possess many of the tools to help a practitioner become adept and astute in any social circle. Calling upon the Grigori for influence and power in social settings is a great opportunity, but workers should always remember that such spirits are not bound by the kind of morality we are used to. When you call, they will come. When you ask, they will answer. Be sure you want them to. The Social Magick spellbook contains some truly challenging operations. They can take you to some dark places. Like any social interaction.

**PAA: How do you see the relationship between inner development and outward expression—does one naturally lead to the other, or do they require separate work?**

It will be difficult to provide a single answer to this one. I think it comes down to what kind of work the practitioner is doing and what their goals are. If they are trying to live a purely honest and authentic existence, I believe the relationship between the internal and external will be very reciprocal and obvious. What they do on the inside will be reflected on the outside, and vice versa. In this instance the work being done becomes cumulative, with the increased inner strength lending itself to the development of the physical and then increased physical strength making it easier to sustain a more rigorous spiritual practice. Unfortunately, we live in a world where living with pure honesty and authenticity will often lead to personal ruin, and so, rightly, many people present a less-than honest version of themselves to the world. We all protect ourselves by deciding what parts of ourselves we expose, and to whom. With this being the case, it is very possible and often necessary to do external work that isn’t necessarily fully internalized by the practitioner. There are several examples of this in the Social Magick spellbook.

Workings that prove quite effective for specific short term social needs, but would be less than ideal long-term personality traits to internalize and integrate into the personality. Likewise, the personal development, shadow work, and occasional turmoil that occultists experience as an integral part of their path would often carry significant social consequences if they were broadcasted openly. Instead, we develop a mask that sustains our position within society while the shadows dance underneath. None of these situations are better, or more spiritually ‘correct’ than the others. They are simply different ways the internal and external interplay across the social landscape of our global civilization. The best answer I can probably give is that the two are absolutely connected and can have visible effect upon each other, but the astute and experienced worker can manipulate that relationship and control what, to an extent, they wear externally regardless of what is going on internally. It is also worth noting, though, that strengthening one will only have so much effect on the other. You cannot become externally powerful solely by becoming internally divine, and likewise, perfect outward beauty will not make the soul beautiful as well. Work must be done in either regard for there to be advancement, but advancement that is made can be reflected in both areas.

**PAA: For someone working seriously with your material, how should they expect their interaction with other people to change over time?**

This might be a bit of a trite answer, but I would hope that their interactions have changed in the ways that they have planned. It would be an ideal outcome for me if they had applied the tools at their disposal to identify what they want, how to achieve it, and then molded themselves into the person who does exactly that. If it requires that their interactions become transactional and mutually beneficial above all else, then that is perfect as long as they do so mindful of and ready to accept the consequences. If they determine that genuine connection and community are their greatest desires and they go about forging those relationships, I would find it just as acceptable as long as they confront the dangers of doing so honestly and appropriately. As long as there is intention followed by action, I can find no fault in how someone forms their social circles and interactions.

The world is a diverse place and to exist within certain areas, drastically different social capabilities and knowledge may be required. But the main thing is that they are thoughtful in the creation of their world, and are not driven by desires, contended for their fate to be dictated to them, or worse, complicit in becoming a tool or vassal for more ambitious minds and agendas not their own. It is one thing to be happy without extravagance or even traditional success, but it is wholly another to lack the will and wherewithal to even take a meaningful part in one’s own existence. For me personally, after twenty years on this path, I would say that I have become more tempered but less flexible. I am more understanding but less forgiving. I value truth and falsehood equally, and challenge both reasonably. I try to be for, before being against, and do my best to inspire divinity in the works of others.

## Public Perception, Misunderstanding, and the Meaning of Satanism

**PAA: Satanism is one of those words that tends to produce an immediate reaction, often before any real understanding is present. In your experience, what do people most consistently misunderstand about it, and where do those misunderstandings come from?**

So, so many misconceptions and so little time. Most people, particularly those who are completely outside the occult and magical communities, have absolutely no clue what real Satanic practice entails. Satanism, for those people, has become a catch-all buzzword for anything that falls outside of any particular person’s narrow scope of moral, religious, and behavioral righteousness. It becomes much easier to rail against the supposed wickedness of Satanism than live up to the precepts of their own religion, especially when they include concepts like charity and selflessness. If I were to give a single source of most misunderstandings, it would be exactly that. A long historical tradition of other religions dictating what Satanism is from a place of moral separation and superiority. No need to verify their claims with proof, and no expectation of basis in reality. Just whatever degenerative claim they want to base a sermon around becomes Satanic devil-worship, and it is accepted without question.

This is one of the main reasons I wrote Paths to Satan. With this kind of narrative fiction becoming the most prevalent image of Satanism in the country, I felt that it had to be formally challenged by someone from within the community itself. The next misconception is a direct result of this kind of historical theological world-building - Satanism is focused on death, sacrifices, suffering, and what would generally be considered “evil.” Putting aside the fact that a unified universal definition of evil has still yet to be achieved, the rest of the claim is simply factually incorrect. It is wholly a concoction of non-Satanists that our practices are centered around these concepts. If anything, a cursory look into a single Satanic source would confirm the exact opposite. Satanism is one of the most life affirming practices in the world, which includes the lives of animals. Most of the Satanists I know are true animal lovers, who value the relationships they have with animals and seek to learn from those connections as much as they do from Human circles. Stanton LaVey, grandson of Anton, actually shared a lot of great wisdom with me in regard to animals and Satanic philosophy. It informed a lot of my current views about Satanism, the natural world, and how we fit into it as a species.

The last misconception I will touch on, because I could keep going for a while, is one that gets perpetuated by many within the community itself. The misconception that Satanism is not a religion, and that Satanists do not believe in a literal Satan. Like most spiritual concepts that gain a lot of traction, this is actually both true and false. Some Satanists believe exactly that. And others do believe in Satan, but not the literal interpretation of the Christian devil. That is one of the most difficult concepts for non-Satanists, and Christians in particular, to grasp because they rely so heavily upon a literal interpretation of Jesus and the events that are discussed in the bible. Most spiritual or theistic Satanists I know are accustomed to viewing the historical context that Satan is presented within, across cultures, without forming a spiritual perspective based around their interpretations. But, at the same time, some Satanist do adhere to those literal interpretations. And it isn’t my, or any other Satanists’, place to tell them that they are wrong. It just doesn’t need to be a part of my Satanism. This is at the heart of why the Satanists don’t believe in Satan misconception is so wrong. It attempts to generalize one of the most nuanced religions in the world. And yes, it is a religion, because a lot of Satanists treat it as one. But that doesn’t mean it is, or needs to be, organized or centralized. My Satanism is not going to be the same as any other Satanist on the planet, no matter how aligned our views or practices may be. This is exactly as it should be. For those who seek certainty in their “faith”, this is a completely alien and foreign concept. That is exactly as it should be, too.

**PAA: A lot of people associate Satanism with either empty provocation or something harmful, whereas your work is structured and practice-based. Has that gap between public perception and lived reality shaped how you present or teach your system?**

As far as my actual process and method of instruction, I would probably say no. The public image of Satanism is sort of a double-edged sword in that regard, I think. Because it is so closed off from the mainstream, I don’t see many complete novices come to me with the sort of misconceptions or biases that I discussed in the previous question. When they are ready to come sit in one of my classes or participate in a workshop, they are already past that point. So when I am teaching everyone is sort of on the same page already, at least enough to let me get through material without being bogged down in the public relations type issues. Now, if we are talking about reach, availability, and inclusivity within common spaces, I would have to say a resounding yes. The places where Satanism can take an open and enthusiastic part in society are few and far between, with most doors still being closed to us when it comes to gatherings or other public spaces. When we are welcomed, it is almost always conditionally and we become targets of opportunity for those looking to “protect their space.” The number of times I have heard conversations revolving around whether “a Satanist is needed” at an event would probably surprise you. Or it may not. Par for the course as far as I am concerned, at this point. Even doing business, hiring contractors, or getting Satanically themed items crafted and manufactured is still a huge boulder for Satanists to push up the hill when trying to open businesses or create their art. Like many things, it has gotten better over the last few years, but who knows what the future will hold.

**PAA: Do you think the term “Satanism” still serves a useful purpose for what you are doing, or has its cultural baggage become more of an obstacle than a clarification?**

This is a pretty hotly-debated issue within the community right now. There have been many iterations of Satanic leaders trying to put a new name to Satan, and it could even be argued that much of the Luciferian movement is in response to the community-driven attempt to distance themselves from the Satan label. Because, in their defense, much of what comes to mind when people talk about Satan does not reflect the lived spiritual experience of those who actually work with Him. In my opinion, however, we should never make decisions about our own spirituality based on what it means or says to those outside of the faith. It should not be a reflection of a desire to be accepted within a society that perhaps we should be adversarial towards.

I certainly do not believe Satan to be the true, or even most accurate label, for the spirit that has been cast into that role by those who would seek to subjugate Humanity. But I do believe that they just may have chosen an incredibly accurate label for Him in regards to his relationship with them. At some point in the future, I can see a new name and identity being found for Satan, but we aren’t there yet.

We must earn the right to change that name through influencing the world in a way that redefines His role within it. I believe Satan to truly be adversarial to the state of the world that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have crafted over the last two thousand years. It has nothing to do with duality. Their mystics identified their greatest enemy early in the game, and it is Satan. This world that they have created is abhorrent to Him, as it should be to us. We should strive to change the world into something that reflects His influence upon it, and when we have done so, then maybe we can consider finding a new name for the same spirit who has been given a new role within the world. Until then, it is our duty to use that name, to carry that label, and do our utmost to become Satans ourselves.

**PAA: In your view, what separates serious practice from theatrical rebellion or identity-based posturing within the space?**

Great question! Simple answer: a real connection with Satan. I don’t even care if you simply view Him as a literary and historical figure that you feel drawn to or associate with. As long as you are making a real effort to connect with that energy and allow it to influence your life. It doesn’t matter if you are steeped in occult ritual or simply reading books, looking at art, and creating your own existence in that light, as long as you are actively opening yourself up to that influence honestly - you are a real, serious Satanist to me. Because you are making it about you and your connection to what you see as Satan, instead of posturing for a reaction from an outward source. When you seek attention through rebellion, want to provoke reactions, or posture yourself in inauthentic ways, you are directing all of your effort towards someone or something else.

This is actually very Christian when you look at it objectively. All energy and attention focused outward, on the congregation and on the acceptance (or rejection in this case) of God. Completely antithetical to real Satanic practice, which above all, should be self-focused and a pursuit of personal fulfilment. I would even extend that into actual Satanists who are meditating for hours, doing crazy rituals, and extending themselves beyond their capabilities in “service” to Satan. This is, once again, making the practice about something other than you. Serve yourself first. Make the decision based on you. Your suffering and servitude are not valuable commodities within Satanism. Personal power, ability, and resources will serve you and your Satanism much more. Do not seek to achieve these things through your spirituality as some sort of short cut to avoid hard work. Use your spirituality to strengthen yourself, obtain these things, and then apply them back into your spirituality to even greater effect.

## Experience, Teaching, and Perspective

**PAA: Through your work with Twisted Tree Abbey and your appearances on platforms like The Magister Dixit Podcast, you’ve engaged with both individuals and a wider audience. Has teaching changed your own understanding of the work?**

Absolutely. Not only teaching, but group work in general. Coming from someone who was a solitary practitioner for over a decade after having a bad experience with groups in the early days of my practice, I would now say that at least periodic intervals of intensive group work are integral to long term growth. Teaching in particular, though, has done a lot to positively influence my own techniques and practice. Much like the process that martial artists go through, after reaching a certain point it really is valuable to walk someone else through the same material. It forces you to revisit concepts you may otherwise have felt beneath you, and invariably, new lessons are learned from the now more-experienced perspective. In regards to magical practice, the confidence that can be gained through teaching cannot be overstated.

Particularly those that come from solitary practices, group work and teaching can be a wonderful experience wherein they get to see just how much they really do know. For me personally, as someone who does a lot of experimental and originative magic, teaching allows me to expose material to a broader audience and further judge efficacy through the interactions I witness. There is no greater litmus test for something you are working on than trying to teach it to someone else. Beyond all of that, there is a true value in the different perspectives that teaching exposes you to.

Seeing how the same material is filtered through another person’s understanding can really unlock new doors to your own. Seeing how your own material is filtered through those understandings is also worth its weight in gold as an author or creator, and sometimes can point towards real gaps or opportunities. In one instance I found that because people view some concepts so differently, such as divinity, that when I was using those words they were taking in completely different interpretations of what I was trying to share. It showed me that sometimes we are talking very different languages even though the concepts being discussed are the same, especially when bridging traditions with strangers.

**PAA: You’ve been practicing since the early 2000s. What is one belief or method you held strongly early on that you’ve since had to revise or abandon?**

I can give you two. First, the idea that Satanism is the correct religion and that everyone should and would be a Satanist if they understood the truth about it. I used to have a saying that said Christians are sheep that learned how to eat twigs, because they didn’t know what grass was. Implying that they had never been introduced to true spirituality (read: Satanism) and once they were, they would naturally choose it. Over time and experience I have learned that first, everyone should not be Satanists, and second, some people are just twig-eating sheep. It is what they want, what they deserve, and what they should be given. It is not my place as a Satanist to change their diet. But I also don’t have to supply them with twigs, or show my loved ones how wonderful twigs are to eat. The second thing I dropped over time was the belief that supplication and spiritual service are pathways towards success in the mundane world, particularly as a Satanist. A lot of Satanists will reach a point where they want to be of service. They want to devote themselves to the cause and start making their Satanism a full-time practice. I have seen and heard so many devotions asking for the means to do so. I have made them personally. The lesson I had to learn is that service is appreciated but not a contract for success. You have to do that.

If you want to apply your success to your Satanic craft, after you have achieved it, that will be rewarded. Absolutely. But it will not be a means to your advancement in and of itself. You can Hail Satan until your voice breaks and your eyes bleed, you won’t get a penny for it unless you figure out a way to make it happen yourself. That is the truest gift of this path. We have connection. We have relationship. We also have responsibility, and the contrary has never been promised except by those that know Satan the least. It is really a throwback to the Abrahamic religions most of us hail from. All success and prosperity is supposed to flow from God in that system. We are not the same.

**PAA: Across your interviews, including Radio Wasteland, you tend to emphasize clarity over mystique. Why do you think so much of the occult space still leans toward obscurity rather than precision?**

There are a few reasons for this, I think. First and foremost, it is a hell of a lot easier to just sound mysterious and use nonsense words than try to make sense of what constitutes the modern magical age. It takes real study, meditation, and contemplation to come up with something coherent of your own on some of these topics, even an opinion, and so the time investment for the result doesn’t make sense to a lot of people. They have no true desire to understand the material and concepts, just to achieve the perception that they do. This ties into the second reason I think this happens: authority. One of the few opportunities to truly gain from within these communities is from the authority you can establish over others. These people are gaining authority through mystique and low-budget wonder rather than through knowledge. One can be gained much faster, but not sustained, which is why you see a revolving door of social media gurus and very few teachers and authors who can sustain themselves for years or decades within the space.

**PAA: Looking across everything you’ve developed so far, what aspect of your system still feels the most open-ended or evolving to you?**

I know you are probably directing the question towards my written works, but the most honest answer I can give is my personal practice. One of the hardest parts about being an author in this space is the fact that I am always still learning, still refining, and still discovering. Sometimes I cannot be as accessible, or active, or as comprehensive as I would like to be with some of my works, simply because my own spiritual practice can still be quite taxing in and of itself. It can be difficult for me to keep up with the progress and work of others, and write down my progress and compile it into digestible formats, and do the exploratory work to confirm results and what they mean, on top of everything else that comes with being an author, and a husband, and a dad, and... It is why it can be years between works from me. Sometimes I am just still in the middle of discovering and learning myself and need time to process before bringing the results to the world. Sometimes my altars are being torn down and rebuilt, new spirits are being contacted, and I am simply making my way through the work. When it comes to my written offerings though, Zoetia is an obvious choice. There will be so much work to uncover with that system it will keep me busy for a decade. But my work with the Grigori is still probably the most open ended and ready for evolution. Beyond the works in the Deification Magick and Social Magick spellbooks, I have developed a more comprehensive divinatory system using the Fallen Angels that still needs to be released, and I believe the work that comes from that system will be some of my most consequential. Ever.

**PAA: Thank you, Martin, for sharing so much with us - over 10K words, very much appreciated. **

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